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Flight Engineer Tracy_Baker Flight Engineer
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Re: Let's discuss the new Red Hat Certified Engineer (RHCE) pathway

If that is the case, then I wonder...

Why make (semi-) wholesale changes to the existing RHCE? Why not remove (or move into the RHCSA) the redunant (-ish) sections from the existing RHCE (IPv6, systemd targets, firewalld rich-rules) and put in "Ansible / automation lite?"

This , then, would seem to provide a transition into DO407.

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Flight Engineer RRR Flight Engineer
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Re: Let's discuss the new Red Hat Certified Engineer (RHCE) pathway

It's a question of prioritization.  Our aim is to focus on the skills and knowledge that are the most useful for the most people and oranizations.  The structure of the certification program should reflect that.  More knowledge is always a good thing but it's a bottomless well.  What should skills and knowledge should people have first and foremost?  When people certify with us and when organizations use Red Hat certification for management decisions, they are looking to and relying upon us for guidance on that question.

Automation is emerging as an essential skill.  The escalating importance of automation is being driven by scale.  Scale is in turn being driven by a planet full of people carrying smartphones, IoT, digital transformation in every industry, the growing ubiquity of data science methods and practices, the demands of AI and more.  I suspect that it won't be long before industry will need fewer people who just know the right commands to type and more people who know how to automate processes.

Having a planet of people banging out one-off shell scripts will likewise not be enough.  A cross-functional automation strategy and an automation framework that can work within such a strategy will also be increasingly necessary.  The demands of scale are driving new deployment paradigms that mean server, DBA and network teams can't each approach automation atomically.  Enter Ansible.

Our conviction that automation has surged in importance does not mean that the topics we have been testing and validating for RHCE are unimportant.  They remain important.  It comes back to what I mentioned above.  We have a responsibility to curate and prioritize.  Our existing RHCE exam and the System Admninistration III course will not be orphans..  They will find homes in new and existing offerings because they remain useful and relevant.

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Flight Engineer RRR Flight Engineer
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Re: Let's discuss the new Red Hat Certified Engineer (RHCE) pathway

Why do you find that disappointing?

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Starfighter Lisenet Starfighter
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Re: Let's discuss the new Red Hat Certified Engineer (RHCE) pathway

@RRR  I don't know whether you work for Red Hat or not, but judging by your response, you're basically confirming that RHCE has been replaced with Ansible? I've not seen the official exam objectives, so if you can clarify that, I'd appreaciate it.

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Flight Engineer RRR Flight Engineer
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Re: Let's discuss the new Red Hat Certified Engineer (RHCE) pathway

Yep, I work for Red Hat.

I'm reluctant to frame it as RHCE is now about Ansible.  RHCE will become about automation.  Automation is the objective and Ansible is how Red Hat does automation.  The specific use cases would be Linux system automation but the principles and skills could be applied more broadly.  An RHCE would have a head start on being able to automate other technologies that use Ansible for automation.

The new RHCE exam is not yet available, which is why you have not seen the exam objectives.  

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Manhal Cadet
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Re: Let's discuss the new Red Hat Certified Engineer (RHCE) pathway

I'm an RHCE , I would like to update my certificate , so where I can find the RH294 book or how to get it , I'm a self study learner
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Flight Engineer NirZilka Flight Engineer
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Re: Let's discuss the new Red Hat Certified Engineer (RHCE) pathway

Hello Guys,

I'm an RHCA and IT manager , and  i watched all of the new early access docs, and the new RHCE credentential will not be value much.

Currently when i interview a candidate with RHCE credential, i know that he is all around player that worked hard and familiar also with apache/mysql/bind/postfix/iscsi/smb/teaming/automounter etc..

Those skills are very important (and from my side - especially for ISP organizations).

I agree that ansible is important skill today, but instead of dropping lot of important materials, you can just add one or 2 chapters of ansible to the current great program, and make RHCE better than ever.

So for my opinion, the new program very disappointing.

Best Regards,

Nir.

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Flight Engineer D_Easterly Flight Engineer
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Re: Let's discuss the new Red Hat Certified Engineer (RHCE) pathway

Nir,

I suspect knowing at least some of those skills won't go away in the new RHCE.  I think we just might have to learn new ways to do those things at scale. 

For example:  
https://docs.ansible.com/ansible/latest/modules/list_of_database_modules.html

https://docs.ansible.com/ansible/latest/modules/list_of_system_modules.html 

https://docs.ansible.com/ansible/latest/modules/nmcli_module.html 

https://docs.ansible.com/ansible/latest/modules/open_iscsi_module.html

You must first understood how something works manually before you can begin to effectively automate it, after all.

I am not disappointed, I'm excited about a more efficient way to do these things.

All the best,

-D. Easterly

Yes, I'm the one with the penguin tattoo.
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Raka Cadet
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Re: Let's discuss the new Red Hat Certified Engineer (RHCE) pathway

Any idea, when would the training and certification on RHEL 8 get started..

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Flight Engineer Alexandre Flight Engineer
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